All were found in Western Illinois in a creek. I was very excited and pleased at what I found : ). Sorry uploaded from my phone can't get it to post correctly.
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That is awesome volume for a creek hunt! That orange point on the top row (as pictured upside down) looks like something SouthFork would find in California. Keep going back to that stretch of creek for sure!
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Some dandy points you found for sure. There are some really old early Archaic types that I can see. Bruce's enhancement efforts make it easier to determine what you found. That seems to be a Big Sandy in the middle on the bottom row. there are other types that I think I know but the point directly above the B.S. is one that I am most curious about. What would you call it? That is one that would be nice to see close up and on both sides and then looking directly at the bottom of the base and in lighting that would make it easier to see the form and type of flaking. It would also be helpful that when posting pics in the future that you put something beside the point so we can tell the points size. I usually suggest putting in a quarter because they are exactly 1 in. in diameter.
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Sailorjoe I was thinking it maybe be a Thebes variety
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I am afraid to make a guess with what I see from the photo available. The light color and possible patina/caliche makes the flaking technique very difficult to see. It just may be that one has to have it in hand to make a good call. I never saw a Thebes, only the pictures. They are not known from my old hunting grounds. But since you have it in hand and are in "Thebes Country" that may be a good call.
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Alright sailorjoe added some pics for you. What do you think with a closer look ?
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Thank you for going to the effort of providing more photos. I appreciate the courtesy: but, man, I screwed up on my post and I apologize. The point I was referring to and hoping for more detail is actually the middle point in the 2nd row of your pic. But when I was posting I was looking at the pic that Bruce had tinkered with so I referred to it as being on the top row. I need to be more careful. The point that you are showing now looks kinda like a Big Sandy to me but that isn't the one that I was really curious about. It is the one above or below (depending on the pic) it. Sorry for the mix up but I'm still curious.
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Hi Brandon. Thanks very much for taking the time to make more pics of the point I was most interested in. I was asking because of my interest in typology. And when you said you thought it could be a Thebes, I was thinking it also had some characteristics of another type I was more familiar with. As I said, I never held a Thebes or saw one except in pics and because the original group photo did not show enough for me to make even a WAG then is when I hoped I could see more. Now I have seen more I agree with your call of it being a variety of Thebes. The characters that I first saw that made me hesitant about Thebes is that compared to some of the Thebes varieties it has a relatively narrower and thinner base that is incurvate. Also many of the Thebes have a more side notched form but I understand some may be corner notched. And the corners of the base of your point looked as if they may have been struck. These factors caused me to think that perhaps you had found a Decatur. Now with the better pics I think that it is not a Decatur at all. It does somewhat resemble a Kirk C.N. when seen from the side but the beveled edge view puts it into the Thebes category. Thanks again.
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