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My dad is being pressured to take the vaccine from family and friends, the only problem is that he is a transplant patient. This is a live Virus vaccine, and with his condition, it would either make him extremely sick, or kill him. (He has no immune system, even the common cold can and has, put him in the hospital) Neither him, nor anyone in our family can take it. I don't think we even would take it. They can't seem to make up their minds on how effective they actually are. It all depends on which company came up with it too. I wouldn't take the Johnson and Johnson one if I were y'all. The effectiveness as reported by NBC is poor, and side effects have been reported.
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"The education of a man is never completed until he dies." Robert E. Lee-
I was told by a doctor last week the shot can bring out past illness and even though my pancreas hasn't bothered me for a couple of years it could bring it back so I was advised not to take it. Idk if that's for all or just me. Pancreas shutdown is deadly. -
I heard Australia abandoned their vaccine after people in the trial were showing up HIV positive because the were using the aids virus 🦠 to carry the mRNA into the cells. They’re claiming that the tests are false positives for HIV and people aren’t actually infected but I wouldn’t take some spliced AIDS virus 🦠 vaccine 💉 if you paid me . Their $750million$ scheme was wasted . There are dozens more across the world working and waiting to cash in on the vaccine bonanza!! .
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OMG! Check out your own state. In my state of RI, an estimated 41% of the population has already been infected....
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...than-you-think
Wow!! And this:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...ants-come-from
To be clear here, the man wasn't what doctors call a "long hauler," or a person who clears a coronavirus infection and then continues to have health problems for months. This man had living, growing virus in his body for five months, Li says. The same infection lasted for five months.
"That is one of the remarkable aspects of this case," Li says. "In fact, he was highly infectious even five months after the initial diagnosis."
Throughout the man's infection, Li and his colleagues ran an illuminating experiment. Every few weeks, the team extracted coronavirus from the man's body and sequenced the virus's genome.
Li couldn't believe what they found. "I was shocked," he says. "When I saw the virus sequences, I knew that we were dealing with something completely different and potentially very important."
The sequences showed Li and his team that the virus was changing very quickly inside the man's body. The virus wasn't picking up just one or two mutations at a time. But rather, it acquired a whole cluster of more than 20 mutations. Scientists had never seen SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19, mutate so quickly during the whole pandemic.
So we have a number of examples, around the planet, in which patients' viruses suddenly have a whole mess of new mutations all at once," says virologist Jeremy Luban at the University of Massachusetts Medical School. And other cases have likely gone undetected, he says.
So scientists are starting to think the two phenomena could be related. That perhaps the new variants arose inside people similar to the man in Boston — that is, people who are immunocompromised and have long-term coronavirus infections.
"I think that's the leading theory," Luban says.
In other words, perhaps the coronavirus uses long-term infections as a mutational testing ground. While inside one person, the virus can try out all these different combinations of mutations and figure out, through trial and error, which ones are best at evading the immune system or helping the virus become more infectious.
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I’m not understanding this. These brand new mRNA vaccines do not use live viruses. They use a protein from the virus, but neither of the vaccines contain live virus.Originally posted by Kentucky point View Post
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ne-basics.html
“mRNA vaccines do not contain a live virus and do not carry a risk of causing disease in the vaccinated person”.
I am not saying your dad is not at risk, and I wish him the best, of course. Just pointing out that the vaccines being used are not live virus vaccines...Last edited by CMD; 02-09-2021, 10:30 AM.Rhode IslandComment
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BAM bamlanivimab infusion is a new treatment for mild to moderate Covid-19 patients. My buddy just got the infusion.Michigan Yooper
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It is rather complicated, but most vaccines are attenuated, or modified live vaccines. They are modified viruses that stimulate our immune system to produce an immunological response. This covid vaccine is a mRNA vaccine, or messenger RNA. It directly enters cells and tells our cell’s DNA to produce some protein that hopefully will fight the virus. This type of vaccine has never been used on people before. So, in comparison, if a Covid 19 RNA strand enters our cells, it tells the cells DNA to produce lots of new Covid RNA strands, eventually killing the cell. That’s how it replicates. People argue whether any virus is “alive “ or not. They need another cell to reproduce. This new vaccine sends mRNA into our cells , “binding” with our DNA, which is then supposed to tell the cell to produce a spike protein that will neutralize the Covid 19 virus. I think the risk then becomes, what exactly is this vaccine telling our cells to reproduce? Did they do enough trials to make sure other adverse reactions aren’t being caused by this direct contact with our DNA? I leave it up to everyone else to use their judgement and Doctor’s advice, but one fact that cannot be argued, is that this vaccine was rushed, and the normal extensive safety trials were skipped. Some safety trials were done, but not what is usually done in a new vaccine. PS. I’m no expert on this vaccine at all. I have used extensively the normal modified live vaccines for over 30 years in practice and understand them. This is not a conventional vaccine. Hope this helps. Hope everyone stays safe whatever they decide.
Last edited by SDhunter; 02-09-2021, 01:12 PM.South DakotaComment
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A speculative look at the exciting future research and possible breakthroughs with mRNA.....
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Good luck Ron let us know how it goes. Get the shot in your non knapping arm my friend said the arm was sore for 2 weeksNW Georgia,Comment
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Yraj I want to know how you react . What’s up with child bearing women not recommended !
idk scary stuff . I think I have it and can’t even get tested every place is over loaded .
if I do have it would I bother to get vaccinated when I recover ?Comment
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Second dose of Pfizer today drive up clinic at the local Indian casino well organized and easy .Comment
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I am most definitely anti-vax and it's a totally philosophical/personal decision. We've never had children to have to make the decision to vaccinate them or not. I haven't been vaccinated since age 8 or so....almost 60 years ago. I've refused flu and shingles vaccines as well as tetanus. I got shingles last year.
All that being said....Brunhilda and I are on The List in FL....for over 2 weeks now... FL is not dealing with Covid or the vaccines well at all. This pandemic is different. I think we have to do this for Society and to DAMN! get some semblance of normalcy back in our business and personal lives...and hopefully not have any problems with the vaccine short or long term...
Professor Shellman
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I hear you Tom. The China Plague is different than anything we have seen. -
So far so good no reaction other than a sore spot at the injection site .It was well run no nightmare lines tribal police directing traffic and plenty of people filling out forms and moving things along .My wife and me had the shot at the same time one medical person on each side of our car . Then moved up into another line to wait for 15 minutes just incase of bad reaction medical personal standing by . And no one handing out free blankets lol . -
Good for you, Tom. I really respect your attitude. I too have generally avoided vaccinations since multiple ones in childhood (expect many of us are carrying those nickel-sized scars), but will take first chance to get a covid one. I realize that it's not just about me. We got to put this thing behind us. This is our only option, right?
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In the past vaccines have caused horrible results so I understand both sides.Michigan Yooper
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The Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine uses a chimpanzee common cold viral vector (a live, "harmless" adenovirus) known as ChAdOx1, which delivers the code that allows our cells to make the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.Professor Shellman
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Had first vaccine few days ago. Took me 1/2 hr from parking to getting on main road home. So impressed with setup, must share. Local university medical school set up vaccines in old big-box defunct retail store. Went on line day before appt, got specific time “2:45”. When got there, local deputies working parking lot, holding signs like “2:45”, “3:00”, “3:30”, etc. Told Mr. Deputy, who met me as soon as I turned into lot, my time, he said you’re a lil’ late (I was; it was 2:50) but park here. Two other people waiting along way who directed me to what line (there were 20), where to stand. Shot giver pleasant, informative, and all business.
Folks, there were several hundred people there. I am happy I live in the United States of America!Digging in GA, ‘bout a mile from the Savannah RiverComment
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Felt terribly sick from 2nd maderna vaccine the next day with chills,sweats and body aches. The aches continued the next day but after 3 days back to normal.
I wouldn't pressure Anyone into vaccines or masks. Stuff is crazy these days. Just crazy
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