Solutrean/Clovis connection fact or fiction
Posted by [chase]:
Moderator Note: this thread was first posted in 2011 but failed to transfer across to the new forum when the software was updated, and so has been re-created manually.
Many years ago I was in Colorado at the Lovland Stone age fair. That particular year Dr. Dennis Stanford from the Smithsonian was one of the guest speakers.(This also had an all star cast of speakers including Dr. George Frison but another story.)At the time, Dennis presented the Solutrean, Clovis connection. At first the thought was how in the world would this even be possiable, but I was there to learn and hear from those I respect. As growing up with all the text books suggesting that the right of passage went through the Bering Staights my thoughts were to hold onto this as the only fact. But the more I listen to what Dr. Stanford said on how this was possiable the more I sat up in the chair and hung on every word he said. For me it made sense from the oldest dates of Clovis sites being on the East coast, to the similar tool reduction of the points from both cultures. It was also plausable for me, by the means by which they would have traveled across an ice sheet. I sat there with the thought that if man did come from the Bering Straights from Siberia, would they have not experinced the same Ice cap and roughly the same distance but without the help of sea animals to feed off of. If I only had a cyrstal ball to tell me, but I don't, so is this a fact or is this fiction. I can only imagine. Those that disagree that this is possiable, I ask how did the Pyramid’s get built. If it was from the labor of men, then man has the ability to cross an ocean ice cap.
Please excuse all mispelled words and grammer mistakes, but would love to here any thoughts on this subject.
Chase
Posted by [CMD ]:
Chase, I'm personally pretty excited by the possibility. I know one of our forum members, can't remember who, has seen 2 Solutrean bifaces found off US Atlantic coast(?) I believe, think he saw them at one of Stanford's lectures. I think the subject of the peopling of the Americas is as exciting as it has ever been. What findings and theories stand the test of time remains to be seen, everything seems so fluid right now with pre-clovis sites more and more the focus. On the west coast, Arlington Springs Woman(once thought to be Arlington Springs Man), the remains of which were found on Santa Rosa Island in the Channel Islands, may be as old as 13,000 years. And sites slightly younger have been found on the Channel Islands, and may indicate a crossing along the Pacific Rim as well by people who also would have hunted the sea on a Pacific "kelp highway". See this article from last Spring:
I believe this map originates from archaeology.org. It shows the various hypothisized migration routes being considered these days.
Posted by [chase]:
Moderator Note: this thread was first posted in 2011 but failed to transfer across to the new forum when the software was updated, and so has been re-created manually.
Many years ago I was in Colorado at the Lovland Stone age fair. That particular year Dr. Dennis Stanford from the Smithsonian was one of the guest speakers.(This also had an all star cast of speakers including Dr. George Frison but another story.)At the time, Dennis presented the Solutrean, Clovis connection. At first the thought was how in the world would this even be possiable, but I was there to learn and hear from those I respect. As growing up with all the text books suggesting that the right of passage went through the Bering Staights my thoughts were to hold onto this as the only fact. But the more I listen to what Dr. Stanford said on how this was possiable the more I sat up in the chair and hung on every word he said. For me it made sense from the oldest dates of Clovis sites being on the East coast, to the similar tool reduction of the points from both cultures. It was also plausable for me, by the means by which they would have traveled across an ice sheet. I sat there with the thought that if man did come from the Bering Straights from Siberia, would they have not experinced the same Ice cap and roughly the same distance but without the help of sea animals to feed off of. If I only had a cyrstal ball to tell me, but I don't, so is this a fact or is this fiction. I can only imagine. Those that disagree that this is possiable, I ask how did the Pyramid’s get built. If it was from the labor of men, then man has the ability to cross an ocean ice cap.
Please excuse all mispelled words and grammer mistakes, but would love to here any thoughts on this subject.
Chase
Posted by [CMD ]:
Chase, I'm personally pretty excited by the possibility. I know one of our forum members, can't remember who, has seen 2 Solutrean bifaces found off US Atlantic coast(?) I believe, think he saw them at one of Stanford's lectures. I think the subject of the peopling of the Americas is as exciting as it has ever been. What findings and theories stand the test of time remains to be seen, everything seems so fluid right now with pre-clovis sites more and more the focus. On the west coast, Arlington Springs Woman(once thought to be Arlington Springs Man), the remains of which were found on Santa Rosa Island in the Channel Islands, may be as old as 13,000 years. And sites slightly younger have been found on the Channel Islands, and may indicate a crossing along the Pacific Rim as well by people who also would have hunted the sea on a Pacific "kelp highway". See this article from last Spring:
I believe this map originates from archaeology.org. It shows the various hypothisized migration routes being considered these days.
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