Possibly Paleo made into stemmed point?

[Artifascination]

This point was a creek find in Muskingum county Ohio. It looks like it could have been an old paleo with the overshot flaking but would like to hear some other opinions on it.

[pkfrey]

OK, But you won't like what I have to say!! It looks like the base was rechipped into a broken blade, and then heated. It has the appearance of someone holding a cigarette lighter to it, in order to darken the color. It looks to be flame treated with charred residue!! Other opinions may differ, but I've seen this a thousand times. Hold a cigarette lighter edgeways on a broken blade, it will turn black from instant charring. Then wipe it off, some of the black will remain. Maybe, maybe not, but since you asked.........!!

[Artifascination]

I was considering purchasing this point but I am not familiar with the false patina methods. I believed it was creek stained and hadn’t been cleaned at all. At least that’s what I was told. I will send it to ya to check out. I wouldn’t figure it was worth enough to fake though.

[Kentucky point]

I have done this one some of my own points to see what would happen. It looks the exact same way. I'll have to get a picture.

[pkfrey]

Here's the thing, again with just some logic, if the base was patinated to that color from being river stained, then the staining would continue onto the blade, especially around the edges which are thinner. There are several types of Paleo and Early Archaic lanceolate forms that have that over shot parallel flaking, but the base wouldn't match the blade type. Unless, that is a Hardin with a shorter snapped base, and someone tried to make it look intact. IDK, things like this have to be seen in hand, but I think there's something fishy going on here, and not fishy from a stream!!

[Kentucky point]

Base looks suspect to me, like Paul said. I've done the hold a lighter to the rock trick many times to give some of my rocks a better look, and to make the flaking pop.

[SurfaceHunter]

I’d like to see a before and after on that KP I’ve never seen it before

[Kentucky point]

It looks decent on white points. I'll do it tonight.

[Artifascination]

I washed this point with dawn dishwashing liquid and warm water. The build up around the base was just some old algae that dried and was never cleaned off. The patina is consistent all the way around. It looks way better in hand than my pictures.

[clovisoid]

It does look a lot better in these pictures. It's got classic percussion "Dovetail Flaking" which would be right for an Early Archaic Ohio point.

Edit for a bit of clarity. I'm not saying it's a Dovetail. That type of flaking with delta shaped flakes between bigger percussion flakes shows up on a lot of bigger Dovetails from Ohio, but wasn't exclusive to Dovetails it shows up on a couple of Early Archaic and Archaic types. It tends to give a slightly thicker, lenticular body like many big Dovetails have.

[oldrocks2]

The knotching just don't look normal dovetail ?
Is there any grinding on the base ?