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  • #16
    Strange thing about some drills I have observed they lack use wear. If a drill is made and used to drill another stone it blunts the sharp edges of the drill tip in a hurry. Pre cell phone I did some experiments for my own benefit. The drill I used to drill holes in slate lost its edges at the tip. It became vey blunted and dull and it did not take much to get that way. I did not use a pump drill or a bow drill I just mounted the flint drill to a shaft and used my palms to rotate along with and downward force. This experiment makes me think that a lot of what we assume are drills were actually expended knives.
    Last edited by Hoss; 01-14-2021, 12:18 AM.
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    • antmike915
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      Excellent post Hoss

    • tomf
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      Could some blunts be expended drills?

  • #17
    Nice collection. I think that they would not have stunned larger animals definitely not predators , wolves , bears ect , wild dogs . They would have reached for something more lethal out of their quiver ect. I think the stunner use was a benefit for being able to be reused over and over . Would work great on all small varmints and critters. Think would be great in saving those G10’s on a big buck instead of wasting on a squirrel 40’ up in a tree.

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    • #18
      I hear you Hoss. My opinion is what I've read and told. That the drilling was accomplished more or less with sand. And that's how the tip gets so rounded. I have a few that are so round it's obvious that were drills. Sand drilling has been done by using a simple reed with sand. It's been proven but it takes a lot of reeds. My belief is most drill types are perforators.
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      • #19
        [QUOTE=antmike915;n523874]I started this after reading a previous thread regarding hafted scrapers, and the theories about blunts, stunners and possible broken blades converted into hafted scrapers, ect... because I think it's a great subject to talk about.
        Thank you Ant for continuing the thread. I don't buy the stunner theory either. Very good presentation. Better than I could do. Great examples too. Kim
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        • antmike915
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          Thanks Kim, I'm glad you brought it up. A very good topic to discuss.

      • #20
        Hi Mike. I like your photos. They are excellent quality. As far as some of the individual points you show being originally made as knives. Who knows for sure? You don't and I don't. There is no way to tell because as I have said in other threads the same halfing technique often was used to attach points regardless of the tool . But what does it matter anyway? The fact is that most scrapers were made intentionally and not as a result of having to wait till a kniife broke before having one or a few in their tool kit. Also, some of these rounded tip "scrapers" with sharp edges were likely used as knives. A knife does not need to have a sharp point in order to cut. Actually sometimes a sharp tip is not desired. If you are familiar with the Eskimo ulu knife then you know what I mean. If you have ever fleshed out a large game animal hide then you know that early in the process a lot of cutting has to be done before any final scraping and one does not want a tip sharp enough to pierce the hide. So having said that, I believe the point in the 2nd pic is or may be a knife. BTW, I am glad you described your experience working with animals. If that does not put to rest the idea about stunners then nothing can help some folks. Regarding drills? Same thing goes as for scrapers. So some drills had bases similar to knives and some had no bases. Again, it has to do with how they were halfted. Also some of the points that some folks call drills were likely perforators.

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        • Ron Kelley
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          Good points Joe. I posted my modern skinning knife below.

        • antmike915
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          Excellent post joe; thank you.

      • #21
        Here is my modern skinning knife:
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        • sailorjoe
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          Hi Ron. A great modern day example which well illustrates what I was trying to say. Thanks for showing us. I've skinned lots of deer, caribou and moose and sometimes wished I had one. I just had to be real careful with my Buck folding hunter when it got down to the details of fleshing if I wanted to save the hide which was not often.

      • #22
        On a note about butchering tools, my friend Jim Herbstritt and some students completely butchered a deer using only tools that he made on the spot. Burks County Jasper was the material he used. It took them about 45 minutes!
        My heart is looking up, my eyes are looking at the ground. Snyder County Pa.

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        • sailorjoe
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          Thanks Kim for that anecdote. A few years ago one of our members posted a thread in which he showed how he did this using only tools made of chert. As you no doubt know, a sliver or chert is just as sharp as a surgeons scalpel. I'm not a knapper but I can attest that from my experience.

      • #23
        Hay Sailor I saw a video where an eye surgeon used small flakes of Obsidian configured into an eye scalpel. He said it is even sharper than any machine can make to do eye surgery.
        My heart is looking up, my eyes are looking at the ground. Snyder County Pa.

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