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I've noticed alot of comments about point's not being this type or that type because of the area found. i do understand that most point types are in general area's. But i also believe point's we're traded people wander . Speaking only here in utah I've found point's that don't make sense being here. I and hunting partners have found coastal point's plains point's point's from oregon, nevada .... what's your opinions...
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Yes yes yes, my favorite artifact subject!
A coupla days ago, I said in passing comment we have Big Sandys here. Yet, we are few miles (hundreds) from where they are “indigenous “. I myself have dug up lil spalls obsidian in my Georgia backyard which musta been transported by last known folks who lived here, Euche and Kiokees, originally from Southwest USA. Being rock digger, transported lithics fascinating, but transported points and tools even more so.
Magellan, Columbus, Lewis and Clark just a few names we all know from school, but those folks always, always been out there…. you know, those folks always wondering what’s just beyond horizon….
I have many academic articles re transported stuff, if you’re interested in reading some heavy-duty scientific-testing researchLast edited by Cecilia; 01-22-2022, 02:34 PM.Digging in GA, ‘bout a mile from the Savannah River-
🤔. Yes ! Always out there...Boss told me one time I was outstanding in my field..Well maybe he said it a little differently.Last edited by Hal Gorges; 01-22-2022, 03:10 PM.
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Just for thought... I dug a very fine and unique point here in East Tx. Dr Collins at TSTU conclude it to be a South American Paleo. The material believed quarried in Brazil. First stage perfection.
i remain somewhat skeptical but,, I don't know what else to say. That's only 5,000 or so miles.Last edited by Garguy; 01-22-2022, 02:53 PM.Comment
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Absolutely! I have found a coral Newnan from Florida on one of my sites here in Southern Arkansas. I have a kerrville knife made from Edwards chert that was found here in Arkansas. Long ways from central Texas or Florida but it made it here somehow. We also find Burlington chert from the Ozarks down here. Poverty point is an ancient mound builders site located on the Macon bayou just south of me and according to their museum 90% of the stone artifacts recovered there were from long distance trade. The Spiro mounds site recovered obsidian from the west coast and different chert types from all over the eastern states. There were some amazing Dover chert Duck River blades from Tennessee recovered there also. I acquired a large 15 1/2” Dover blade that was found by Theodore Souter in Central Arkansas. It is one of 2 that has been found in the state of Arkansas and was believed to have been traded in from Tennessee to the Spiro and then made its way to Central Arkansas. It is believed that these trade sites were equivalent to an ancient New York City. Makes you wonder about all the things that we don’t know.SE ARKANSASComment
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Stuff was absolutely traded great distances..Take UpNorth(Brad) for instance, he finds Florida points in his area (just kidding)...But just to give the other hand a fair shake, there’s only so many shapes a point can be..And then there’s the twilight zone points...Floridaboy.Comment
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I've seen people shut down on a type that just is what it is.i dont except that the material and artifacts weren't traded or traveled... i know here in utah it was once a great big ol lake. I've got cascade point's from Oregon found on ancient shore line's. makes one wonder if they used boats here.?UtahComment
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If there was water there is no doubt they used boats. -
There’s Mayan-type stuff found all along gulf of Mexico. Some of the pottery clay from South America, patterns and forms all Mayan. They were known to navigate home-lands by canoe (some of them huge). It’s hard to add 2 + 2 and not get 4.Last edited by Cecilia; 01-22-2022, 05:19 PM.
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Yeah he finds points that would fit perfectly in Wells frames from East TxOriginally posted by Hal Gorges View PostComment
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interesting readUtahComment
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Yes, no doubt they traveled great distances.
even more so in the woodland/ Mississippian era.
many points I find in the upper Midwest look very similar to points found in the s.e., many of which are made in different periods perhaps. What we call dicksons up here, closely resembles a pickwick in the southeast… here’s a pic. of a raddatz point, this one has seen many resharpenings and found in s.e.Minnesota.
if this point was found in Alabama, for example. It would likely be typed as a big sandy….✌️Southeastern Minnesota’s driftless areaComment
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Looks like a sandy to meComment
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The big sandy goes as far north as central Illinois.
calling it a big sandy, doesn’t fly with me… I’m hundreds of miles north of central Illinois… take a look at the raddatz, these are common in Minnesota…. Looks like raddatz and big sandy are in the same cluster… a raddatz is the logical type for my area, if there is to be a big sandy here it would be extremely rare I.m.o….. keep kick’n dirt…✌️Southeastern Minnesota’s driftless areaComment
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my clovis is made of munsungan chert. Personal find Sandy Hook CT. Munsungan sources 450 miles North in Maine.TN formerly CT Visit our store http://stores.arrowheads.com/store.p...m-Trading-PostComment
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