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  • #16
    Neanderthal wrote:

    Hoss1958usa wrote:


    If that was picked off on an Indian Campsite it is possibly a moccasin last. Similar to our modern day shoe lasts Seems to me it would be easier to sew a moccasin together on a form than just stitching it up. Just a thought I do have one in my collection will try and get a picture up here tomorrow.
      Realistically, there is no such artifact as a "moccasin last".  That's a myth that has been perpetuated for a very long period of time.  There would have to be a "last" for each foot of every native out there, and that simply isn't the case.  I doubt that a form would have been necessary.  BUT, if one was used, it would have been much simpler to make one out of rawhide than stone. Once a pair of moccasins were made the sole alone could have been used for the next pair, etc.
      Since we have been through this before and its your rock, call it what you want.
    Like a drifter I was born to walk alone

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    • #17
      ANY stone you find resembles something.  It may be a giants left toe, Orion constellation viewed upside-down, a lugnut from a 1964 studebaker hotwheel..but SOMETHING.  That does not mean they are intentional or even man-made; however, it does show you how creative people can be with their perceptions. 
      People like order, they have to have a reason for everything even when there is none. Sometimes, a rock is just that...a rock. Sometimes a rock does resemble Spock's earlobe naturally. By the same token, sometimes a true artifact does look like your drunken Uncle Bob or a sheep's head, that doesn't mean it was intentional.
      To save yourself a helluva lot of headache, one of your first goals should be learning how to distinguish human tooling. Knapping, abrading, pecking..whatever, human tooling. Pick up tools and try it yourself, you may be surprised what you learn.  Believe it or not, a large number of collectors cannot differentiate natural from human tooling - even if they've been collecting for years.

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      • #18
        The primary function of a three-dimensional last is to allow hard leather which has been softened with water to be pulled very tightly into shape before being allowed to dry. This creates a stiff shoe. I don’t think native Americans used hard leather for moccasins or wore stiff shoes… did they?
        How to make a moccasin:
        http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/15249
        I keep six honest serving-men (they taught me all I knew); Their names are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who.

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        • #19
          painshill wrote:

          The primary function of a three-dimensional last is to allow hard leather which has been softened with water to be pulled very tightly into shape before being allowed to dry. This creates a stiff shoe. I don’t think native Americans used hard leather for moccasins or wore stiff shoes… did they?
          How to make a moccasin:
          http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/15249
            The only "hard" leather (rawhide) used was the sole, the upper part of the moccasins are supple. Not all of the soles were made stiff either, some are very pliable.  The natives really didn't need a form to cut the rawhide for the sole, they could use their own feet as a template.

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          • #20
            Hello, I have a stone foot no misake. It was found in southeastern AZ, and is carved out of steatite. A little Narrow for a last or mold but no doubt a foot toes toe nails and all. Here are some pics. Though i have no idea of it's use, I suppose just a fetish.


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            • #21
              :rolf:
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              • #22
                cool find Osorio was this a personal find? Was it in context with any other artifacts?  Very cool.
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                • #23
                  Hoss wrote: cool find Osorio was this a personal find? Was it in context with any other artifacts?  Very cool.
                    x2.

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                  • #24
                    A good friend found it while walking down the road to his house. He's really got the golden eye. We do a lot of trading and that's how I ended up with it, so the credit is his and all the same thank you. Its definatly one of the stranger things in my collection.

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                    • #25
                      He's right picking up a rock and attempting to turn it into a tool will give one a whole new world of knowledge on the tell tells of artifacts and geofacts. And this is very important in collecting to be able to distinguish the difference. Go ahead give it a try you have only knowledge to gain.

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                      • #26
                        Those lines are not incised--one can follow their trail as faults in the natural rock. There is no such thing as a moccasin last--the very idea that a rock would do better than a human foot to mold a moccasin by is unworthy of discussion. Mocs are just too simple to turn into something fanciful. A rock cannot grow with age and it would require TWO rocks to make a pair of mocs--why is it the 'second' foot never falls?
                        This is no artifact at all. Studying how artifacts are made will help loads

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                        • #27
                          Very  good  point  thanks
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                          • #28
                            Moccasin form found in stockdale texas

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Andreapaige View Post
                              Moccasin form found in stockdale texas
                              Nope, sorry... it's an odd-shaped natural rock. Please see this entry in our Information Center:

                              http://forums.arrowheads.com/forum/i...moccasin-lasts

                              Please also refrain from posting the same item in different parts of the forum.
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                              • #30
                                I’m going to pipe up here. My mother is full blood Mandan from ND. Born and raised on the Rez. My grandmother was an elder and was born in a teepee in 1894 on land that has been in my family for over 150 yrs. My first pair of shoes were handmade /beaded Mocs made by an “auntie”. I can tell you with all certainty that the way they are made is by standing on the leather and tracing your foot. Always. Depending on what leather is used- you can wet it to soften. But contours and the like do NOT need to be addressed on a 3D form because the moc will naturally conform to your foot. Babies generally have Mocs made from buckskin before they walk as it’s very soft.

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                                • 2ndoldman
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                                  This is an old post Tiny, however I do thank you for your very persona and obviously intimately experienced input.
                                  Last edited by 2ndoldman; 11-08-2018, 01:14 AM.
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