Central Texas weekend find

[truceburner]

I found this over the weekend in a gravel bar on a creek in Austin, TX. I'm looking for opinions on the type for this piece. I have the bible for Texas lithics, "Stone Artifacts of Texas Indians -3rd edition" by Turner and Hester, but I've not been able to definitively type it. Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.

As found

Side A

Side B

Side A with scale in cm

Side B with scale in cm
Edge on

[2ndoldman]

I can't help but I can admire

[Kyflintguy]

Welcome from east Tn!

Love that in situ shot. Have you looked at the He'll Gap type? Just a guess on my part and way out of my area...

http://www.projectilepoints.net/Points/Hell_gap.html

Thanks for sharing!

[Kyflintguy]

Here's a link to the info center of the forum with some Texas Refferences...

https://forums.arrowheads.com/forum/information-center-gc33/arrowhead-point-typology-north-america-gc56/south-central-tx-ok-ar-western-la-gc65/107523-texas-types-general

[sailorjoe]

Some dandy points that you found. Out of my area and not sure if I ever saw a lanceolate point like that one so I will see what some Texas folks say before I try to make a WAG. Those points look huge!

[Scorpion68]

Hey ya truce - I gotta tell ya those are some awesome photos of awesome points. Excellent closeups and super insitu. Sorry I can't help with the Id but they sure are nice finds.

[gregszybala]

That's an interesting older point. I think Josh might be on it.

[Jethro355]

I'm getting on board with everybody else. It's an excellent point, awesome pics, and I think that Hell's gap may be right?
of course, I'm mostly a toothless hillbilly who only isn't an expert on anything, but I like pictures a lot and I can pick up heavy things.

[truceburner]

Thanks for the input, everyone. My further research led a discussion on this site regarding whether true Hell Gap point types are found in Texas, and the form/distribution differences between HG, Thrall, and Angostura point types. Where is @Seco when you need him? Paging Dr. Hester to the courtesy phone...

[Kyflintguy]

That wasn't this site but on a.h.ology... I'm not familiar with those folks or that discussion but yours sure looks to fit the description of Hell Gap...

[searchinghawk]

for sure looks like a late paleo lanceloate to me,, hell gap related or something similar,,i have a hell gap type point i found way up here in maine on an early archaic site on kennebec river,, bifurcates and kirks and palmers also found with lots of stark and neville points

[chase]

I'MO not a hell gap may be a Scottsbuff but what do I know same time period

[SDhunter]

I'm not really seeing paleo flaking on this? Am I missing something? Flaking looks random to me.

[truceburner]

chase - It's relatively thin, not as robust in cross-section as the (very few) Scottsbluff pieces I've found, and, to SDhunter's point, it lacks the flaking style of that and other classic paleo types. You aren't missing anything, SDhunter - it is what it is. The outline/shape screams Hell Gap, but the Turner/Hester guidebook "Stone Artifacts of Texas Indians" dropped HG and the previous HG-related Thrall type from the 3rd edition of the book. For reference, other paleo/transitional types I've found nearby include St. Mary's Hall, Angostura, Golondrina, Scottsbluff- all of which are creek finds, so out of context.

I really appreciate the input, gents.

[Claycald]

I was thinking Scott's bluff...but it is unusual. Im from East Texas and never found that exact shape...the ones I have have more exaggerated shoulders.
clay

[G10+]

I am not seeing hellgap .... or paleo flaking .... might have to lump this one ... cool point though

[truceburner]