Endangered Wolf center, MO

[JoshinMO]

These Wolves don't get near as much love as the world bird sanctuary did down the street from there. They got a bad rap, but for good reason I guess. If I were a Rancher or someone living where they live :dunno: but just thought I'D share.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&u act=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.endangere dwolfcenter.org%2F&ei=zGHCV

[JoshinMO]

Not sure if this is the place (no description), but here.
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEJzaSzD-bA
Actually, i dont know where video was taken.

[JoshinMO]

Had a wolf on news this morning so gave me an idea.
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWchVxIVFc

[rvdave]

What a lot of people don't understand is Wolves keep coyote populations in check. Coyotes are much more "opportunistic" then wolves and are far more likely to eat calves.
When wolf populations get too low they will interbreed with coyotes and or feral dogs. The offspring of those can be dangerous to humans.
Before the eradication of wolves there where no coyotes east of the Mississippi. Now in the inner city of Chicago there are lots of coyotes, coyotes that eat dogs and cats and sooner or later potentially children.

[Ron Kelley]

rvdave wrote:

What a lot of people don't understand is Wolves keep coyote populations in check. Coyotes are much more "opportunistic" then wolves and are far more likely to eat calves.
When wolf populations get too low they will interbreed with coyotes and or feral dogs. The offspring of those can be dangerous to humans.
Before the eradication of wolves there where no coyotes east of the Mississippi. Now in the inner city of Chicago there are lots of coyotes, coyotes that eat dogs and cats and sooner or later potentially children.

Hey Dave, I read about a DNA study of the Eastern Coyote. Every animal tested had wolf DNA.

[sneakygroundbuzzard]

rvdave wrote:

What a lot of people don't understand is Wolves keep coyote populations in check. Coyotes are much more "opportunistic" then wolves and are far more likely to eat calves.
When wolf populations get too low they will interbreed with coyotes and or feral dogs. The offspring of those can be dangerous to humans.
Before the eradication of wolves there where no coyotes east of the Mississippi. Now in the inner city of Chicago there are lots of coyotes, coyotes that eat dogs and cats and sooner or later potentially children.

  ya you just try and tell that to the cattle and sheep ranchers in northern minnesota
the wolves that are now in the lower 48 states are not the same sub species that was here 100+ years ago
when the animal lovers tried to reestablish a population of wolves in the lower 48 they brought in the canadian grey wolf
it s bigger and more aggressive than what we used to have
here in minnesota not only do the wolves kill a lot of cattle sheep and the calves and kids during birthing season
they have all but decimated our moose population,our deer population in the norther part of the state(which is the wolf range) is fastly declining.
but we still have a very high population of coyotes all over the state,even in the wolf range
we no longer have a moose season because of the wolves
our state has gone back to a lottery system for deer hunting,with most of the state being a one deer only quota now.
i have a friend who is a retired DNR supervisor and we talk about these things quit frequently,because we both love to hunt.
he knows more about nature and wild life in our state than any other person i have ever met.
i believe he knows what hes talking about. he like i, believes that the fed gov needs to stay out of such things as wildlife management and leave it up to the individual states.
minnesota has the largest population of wolves in the lower 48 states and it is hurting other hunting activities drastically.
we even had a teenager who was walking along side a lake last summer get attacked by a wolf.
the wolf just came out of the woods and grabbed him by the head and tried to drag him off.
he was lucky to get away with just stitches to his head and a few scratches.
so anyone who thinks wolves are soft and cuddly needs to pull their heads from their back side and look at the reality of what they are
the are animals that are not afraid of man and they do kill just for the fun of it,not just to feed them selves
ok now i will get off of my soap box,as i know this can be a touchy subject

[JoshinMO]

Totally understand, I get it. inch:

[rvdave]

I for one would love to see red wolves back in my part of the world. But red wolves are a lot different then timber wolves or grey wolves.

[sneakygroundbuzzard]

i dont want anyone to get me wrong
i would hate to see the wolf wiped out
but i think their population needs to be controlled just like deer,turkey,elk,moose,coyote etc
if we as hunters(also the largest group of conservationist) dont get to control the population
the wolf will destroy all of our other hunting game animals
i have had opportunities to hunt the wolf here in Mn,and its one of the greatest thrills i have ever had when hunting
never shot one as of yet,and may never get to now with the latest court ruling
but we have a few legislators who are appealing the decision along with the DNR

[chase]

Pack animals I for one thing I am not a fan of.  I go out hunting most times by myself. And trying to fend off a pack., Is not one thing I would want to do. They have not been in Colorado for some time and the ecosystem has been just fine. so the induction IMO does not make sense.

[sneakygroundbuzzard]

chase, i hear ya on that
i too hunt alone,for the most part.
when i wolf hunt i am always alone,as Mn doesnt/didnt allow party hunting them
we have what are known as "super packs"
most wolf packs are small in number,usually no more than about 8
but super packs can get huge,in excess of 20 or more animals
every year during deer season there are stories of a guy(s) who has shot and gutted a deer
just to get sent back up into his tree stand while a pack of wolves comes in and eats his deer
some guys are treed for hours after they eat the deer,the wolves just hang out and are waiting for the guy to come out of the tree
they dont even flee when the deer hunter starts shooting at them
im telling ya, this new breed of wolves are not to be taken lightly
they are most definitely not afraid of man,and are very very aggressive
like i said our wolf range is the northern part of the state
but i have found wolf tracks down in the area i live in,which is the central part of the state
i have also talked to folks who have seen them in the southern part of the state,and down in central iowa too
i never ever go in the woods without one of my .45 acp on my hip
for good reason,and it aint to keep me safe from thumper or bambi

[Havenhunter]

Ron is correct. DNA analysis on Eastern coyotes show they are hybrids between coyotes -and- Canadian grey wolves. Here in VA, according to VA Fish -and- Wildlife, we became ground zero for the confluence between the two. The result is a wily Hunter who is extremely territorial -and- will form packs in order to hunt. Whereas western coyotes run 25-30lbs on average, Eastern coyotes often weigh in at 55-65lbs. It's evolution, pure -and- simple.

[JoshinMO]

bunch of meanies   :laugh:
I don't want no pack after me,family or pets either!

[Kyflintguy]

In my home state of Kentucky,  Coyotes are spreading like wildfire.  Like others said, they get very large. I've saw Coyotes that were German Shepherd size. They hunt in packs mostly thru the night, and packs can be 20 plus.  With a hunting licence,  a hunter can take two a day (if I'm remember correctly) . We also have a growing population of feral dogs, Wich can be very aggressive and opportunistic. I was once stalked by feral dogs, I didn't have a gun, so I hid off to the side of a trail with a stick and a rock. I clobbered the first one coming down my trail. This only temporarily startled them and I was lucky to make it back to my vehicle, with them still following me.  I agree though these species need to be controlled with hunting, to protect the balance of other species not to mention us and our pets .

[JoshinMO]

Yes, I seen big ones (in mo) too! I am guessing had to be more than 50 pounds or more the biggest i seen. Back was quite tall also.