Heartbreaker! Can you help ID it?

[Arrow1674]

Illinois find-local farm. Any idea? Pretty color too.
woodland, archaic?

[BabaORiley]

Is that both pieces you have Arrow...the tip and base?

[Arrow1674]

No, just the side view. The tip was missing

[JoshinMO]

Cool, maybe it's an apple creek or kings corner notched. Probably some type of woodland corner notch type. Hopewell is another possible type.

[CoachG]

If found in Tennessee it would have a Kirkish look.

[searchinghawk]

and maine too,, have some kirks from kennebec river,, palmer and bifurcates came from the field as well

[Arrow1674]

Interesting that some archaic and woodland bases look so similar. Makes a positive ID that much harder-heh?

[JoshinMO]

The Ancient People didn't start over when a time period came along. That's what makes it interesting, and from memory the kings corner notched i think started in the late archaic times and continued into the woodland period.

[rock ON.]

From what I've been reading the main difference in those time periods was the invention of pottery and the bow + arrow- hence smaller points for use with arrows, and more of a reliance on plant cultivation.

[BabaORiley]

Arrow I'm an Illini hunter also and I have at least several that match that base type but the positive ID on them is hard to nail down exactly. I agree with the Woodland/Hopewell idea and the three types mentioned are all very similar in style.

[Arrow1674]

From northeast Illinois. Having trouble let determining of archaic Kirk or more modern Jacks Reef. It's small, thin with a thinned base. Kicks appear to be larger. Eiher way, the workmanship is nice. Any ideas? Thanks

[JoshinMO]

Looks the same as others You posted the other day, definitely a good area to keep hunting.

[Scorpion68]

Can see your dilemma there Arrow. It could go either way but to determine a Jacks Reef you'd need more of the point toward the tip to make a firm determination. While the size would have me leaning toward a Jacks, I see a steeper angle toward the point than what I would expect to find. Either way it's a nice find and as josh says you're in a good area so keep hunting. ...Chuck

[sailorjoe]

Hi Arrow. It's hard to tell what you may have for sure. Only half a point, the lighting conditions such that I can't tell the flaking style, and the fact that I have only a photo. With all that said, my WAG is that it may be a Palmer. If it is, then it would be a small one. Palmers are essentially small Kirk Corner Notch points. My idea is that Palmers and Kirk CN were made by the same culture of folks with the big ones (Kirks) used as knives and the smallest of the Palmers used as dart points. But remember that folks needed different size knives back in the old days just as we do now so size alone is not always a good criterion for distinguishing the former use made by a point. If the point appears to not have a patina then it may be a Jacks Reef since they are relatively recently made points whereas Kirks and Palmers are about 9,000 years old, more or less. Another clue as to type would be the type of site it was found on. If on a site that produces only Woodland points and lots of them then it may be a JRCN.

[Hoss]

Is this the same one you posted earlier?

[Hoss]

Yeah it is the same one http://forums.arrowheads.com/forum/g...you-help-id-it. Not a good enough answer on the other thread? It would be much easier to just bump the old thread .

[JoshinMO]

Ha

[Hoss]

I moved the last several comments dated 2/15/2017 into your original post.