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Posted by [PaArtifact Hunter]
Moderator Note: this thread was first posted in 2011 but failed to transfer across to the new forum when the software was updated, and so has been re-created manually.
Does anyone have any chunky game stones? I have seen these circle game stones on display and they were calling them hammer stones.....any pics would be great Thank You!
Posted by [greywolf22]
Tom
In this game, a round stone with concave sides was rolled down a field by one person while the player attempted to knock it over or alter its path by hitting it with a throwing stick.
Jack
Posted by [PaArtifact Hunter]
cool pic. do ya think they were all beveled out like that or do you suppose some would be not so beveled out? I have many that are not like that but have indents similar. I assume they are mississippian in the photos as that is the most comon found in the pics you shared?
Posted by [greywolf22]
Tom
They also made these without the dishout, but these might be unfisnished or might have been used for the game, but would have a disadvantage on the ones dished out. I think the dishout helped in rolling the stone as it gave a better grip, something to hold on to so they could throw it faster.
Yes all Mississippian.
Jack
Posted by [Butch Wilson]
http://forums.arrowheads.com/forum/i...ler-discoidals
Posted by [Butch Wilson]
I got a rock that looks like my Grandma's biscuits.
Posted by [PaArtifact Hunter]
Butch Wilson wrote:
I got a rock that looks like my Grandma's biscuits.
is it just a rock or an actual game stone? mine that I found are similar with notched out centers on both sides and a smooth rim like they were rolled.The State museum said they were hammerstones and I disagreed with them on there hammerstones/discodials hmmmm....
Posted by [Butch Wilson]
This one is sandstone, if you used it for a hammerstone, you would have a handful of sand. Could be a biscuit discoidal or just a rock that looks like Grandma's Biscuits.
Posted by [PaArtifact Hunter]
Discoidals: Discoidals or chunky stones seem to appear at sites dating late in Pennsylvania prehistory. In southwestern Pennsylvania they are principally found on Late Prehistoric villages (1100- 500 BP) of the Monongahela Culture. Discoidal stones look much like a prehistoric hockey puck, although they were not used for that purpose! Instead they were used in the game of chunkey. This game allowed a person to hone their spear throwing skill by throwing a stick at a rolling chunkey stone, hoping to either knock over the stone or land their stick closest to where the stone stopped . A few specimens have a concavity on each of its flat sides that can end as a perforation in the center of the stone. Some discoidals are made from fine to medium coarse grained sandstones from local source outcrops. While the more elaborate examples generally found at Mississippian sites further west in the Ohio/Mississippivalley or in the south, are often made from more resistant stone such as granite. Examples of discoidal stones in the archaeological collections of The State Museum of Pennsylvania reveal some hint as to their method of manufacture. A discoidal starts out as tabular stone that has been roughly chipped into a disc-shape. The irregular rough edges are then ground down to create the final shape. Engraved shell gorgets and pipe stones discovered at some Mississippian sites of the mid-West depict discoidals being used in contests whereby the individual is seen in a crouched posture ready to roll the discoidal along the ground.
A color example of a shell gorget found in Kentucky picturing a chunkey player
A chunkey player carved in pipe stone found in Oklahoma
from website:
twipa.blogspot.com/2011/04/thoughts-on-g.html
Posted by [PaArtifact Hunter]
Moderator Note: this thread was first posted in 2011 but failed to transfer across to the new forum when the software was updated, and so has been re-created manually.
Does anyone have any chunky game stones? I have seen these circle game stones on display and they were calling them hammer stones.....any pics would be great Thank You!
Posted by [greywolf22]
Tom
In this game, a round stone with concave sides was rolled down a field by one person while the player attempted to knock it over or alter its path by hitting it with a throwing stick.
Jack
Posted by [PaArtifact Hunter]
cool pic. do ya think they were all beveled out like that or do you suppose some would be not so beveled out? I have many that are not like that but have indents similar. I assume they are mississippian in the photos as that is the most comon found in the pics you shared?
Posted by [greywolf22]
Tom
They also made these without the dishout, but these might be unfisnished or might have been used for the game, but would have a disadvantage on the ones dished out. I think the dishout helped in rolling the stone as it gave a better grip, something to hold on to so they could throw it faster.
Yes all Mississippian.
Jack
Posted by [Butch Wilson]
http://forums.arrowheads.com/forum/i...ler-discoidals
Posted by [Butch Wilson]
I got a rock that looks like my Grandma's biscuits.
Posted by [PaArtifact Hunter]
Butch Wilson wrote:
I got a rock that looks like my Grandma's biscuits.
is it just a rock or an actual game stone? mine that I found are similar with notched out centers on both sides and a smooth rim like they were rolled.The State museum said they were hammerstones and I disagreed with them on there hammerstones/discodials hmmmm....
Posted by [Butch Wilson]
This one is sandstone, if you used it for a hammerstone, you would have a handful of sand. Could be a biscuit discoidal or just a rock that looks like Grandma's Biscuits.
Posted by [PaArtifact Hunter]
Discoidals: Discoidals or chunky stones seem to appear at sites dating late in Pennsylvania prehistory. In southwestern Pennsylvania they are principally found on Late Prehistoric villages (1100- 500 BP) of the Monongahela Culture. Discoidal stones look much like a prehistoric hockey puck, although they were not used for that purpose! Instead they were used in the game of chunkey. This game allowed a person to hone their spear throwing skill by throwing a stick at a rolling chunkey stone, hoping to either knock over the stone or land their stick closest to where the stone stopped . A few specimens have a concavity on each of its flat sides that can end as a perforation in the center of the stone. Some discoidals are made from fine to medium coarse grained sandstones from local source outcrops. While the more elaborate examples generally found at Mississippian sites further west in the Ohio/Mississippivalley or in the south, are often made from more resistant stone such as granite. Examples of discoidal stones in the archaeological collections of The State Museum of Pennsylvania reveal some hint as to their method of manufacture. A discoidal starts out as tabular stone that has been roughly chipped into a disc-shape. The irregular rough edges are then ground down to create the final shape. Engraved shell gorgets and pipe stones discovered at some Mississippian sites of the mid-West depict discoidals being used in contests whereby the individual is seen in a crouched posture ready to roll the discoidal along the ground.
A color example of a shell gorget found in Kentucky picturing a chunkey player
A chunkey player carved in pipe stone found in Oklahoma
from website:
twipa.blogspot.com/2011/04/thoughts-on-g.html
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