Is it a Madison?

[Hi-Lo]

Delaware, Ontario origin.

Full haft grinding. 1 3/4 inches.

I am second guessing the possibility of it being a Madison.

Any thoughts as to classification and toolstone are as always greatly appreciated.

[-=METACOM=-]

Nice point, I really like that material, very nice!

[sailorjoe]

What a dandy, beautiful point you are showing us. As to whether it is a Madison. It could be but Madisons are usually much smaller. Madisons are typically less than an inch in length and are very thin in cross section. And I can't really see how thin it is. I kinda get the impression that it may have a slightly median ridge or ellipitical cross section. If that is truly the situation then that would rule out it being a Madison. There are many triangular shaped points from the Woodland period that can be confused. Maybe someone who collects from your area may offer a more definite opinion.

[Hoss]

I would not call that one a Madison. It is missing a corner. I wonder if the other corner looked like this picture I just doctored? You say it is ground along the basal edge. That is an Archaic traite in my opinion and if the ear did look like the one on the left in the picture it could be a Brewerton eared. That is pretty much a stab in the dark though. Perhaps it looked more like this at one time. As far as the lithic goes more info on find location might help nail that down.

[Hoss]

I believe this one to be a Madison it is is Dover Chert. A Middle TN point. The scale in the picture is CM. There is no basal grinding at all. It is not broken it just has a wierd shadow on the base.

[Ron Kelley]

Hey David, I like the point and lithic. Is it translucent?

[chase]

Ft ancient? I dunno Madison? Nice artifact love the lithic.

[Hoss]

Fort Ancient are much narrower than that in my honest opinion.

[sailorjoe]

The point you are showing us IMO is not a Ft. Ancient.

[Driftwood]

That's a nice point! It doesn't seem quite right for a Madison... flaking is different and looks too thick, but could be a result of material. I believe grinding is unusual on Madison points; none in my collection have any grinding at all. It has an Archaic look to me, but just not sure.

[Hoss]

Here is more information on Madison points.

http://mvac.uwlax.edu/glossary/madis...r/%20%20%20%20

https://www.jefpat.org/diagnostic/Ma...d/madison.html

http://collections.nysm.nysed.gov/pr...s/madison.html

It is all very confusing because these all difer slightly. Especially when you look at size ranges. Perino wrote in his book that Madison points only came from a site in Madisn Co. Il. He said they were thought to be a preform to the Cahokia type points.

[Hi-Lo]

Yes, it is translucent. Also, 6 mm thick. Thank you all. I took a couple more snaps and tried to upload this AM. That didn't work as I was using my Mac at home. It is a long weekend here. I am going to try to upload a couple of images later/tomorrow.

[Hi-Lo]

I hope these go through.

[Hoss]

I hope you do not mind I edited the post to add the pictures full sized.

[Hi-Lo]

Not at all my friend. Thank you for doing so.

[Hi-Lo]

Thanks again everyone.

Hoss, I really appreciate all your help. And, yes I agree with your 'Brewerton Eared-Triangle' classification. I just read through the description for said point in Justice and it corresponds to mine.

Late Archaic, 5000-3700 B.P.