Chase wrote:
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Wilburn wrote:
chase wrote:
Wilburn wrote:
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JoshinMO wrote:
Now that's a great day. Without a size reference, but I dont think that's a Cobbs. The Tip will be hard to identify, but the material looks like it has been heat treated, which would eliminate a paleo point type.
I agree with Chase on this. Cobbs are large beveled knives. Yours appears to be a very nice small knife but I wouldn't call it Cobbs. Hard to say on the broken one but as Chase said the hint of heat treating would eliminate Early Arcaic or Paleolithic.
Chase and Ray
I beg to differ. Some Paleo have been heat treated. Check this link of a great site (Crowfield) excavated by Dr Brian Deller. Five miles from where I live. This is just one site there have been more.anthropology.uwo.ca/cje/Crowfield.htm
I beg to differ. Some Paleo have been heat treated. Check this link of a great site (Crowfield) excavated by Dr Brian Deller. Five miles from where I live. This is just one site there have been more.anthropology.uwo.ca/cje/Crowfield.htm
Wilbrun, Thanks for the link. I read over the Crowfield site. Here is what I took from it.
from: anthropology.uwo.ca/cje/Crowfield.htm
from: anthropology.uwo.ca/cje/Crowfield.htm
In all over 4500 heated artifact fragments were recovered, the vast majority of which seem to have originated in the major pit feature discovered. Refitting of the fragments revealed they made up 182+ complete Paleo-Indian artifacts which had not been broken in manufacture or use and it is clear they were deliberately burned. The large number of items recovered from the single pit feature, and the fact they were deliberately burned or sacrificed, suggests ceremonial activities and it is possible these pit items represent a cache of goods associated with a cremation burial. However, no organic remains were recovered because of the age of the site and the acidic soils which destroy anything other than stone tools and debris.
This is not heat treating, but more sacrificial. Heat treatment is done in a controlled rise in temperature to an extreme heat of 400 degrees plus over an extended period of time, and then slowly cooled. This is done to make the chert easier to flake. Thus the change in color to a pinkish hue. What happened at the Crowfield site was an extreme heat,with no controlled rise in temperature, on finished artifacts with no intent to heat treat. This would in fact, as stated, fracture the chert.
I hope that clarifies what the differences are.
I hope that clarifies what the differences are.
Chase that might have been for sacrificial..however according to what I have read Paleo did practice heat treatment.
See quote: "Closer to the western New York area, heat-treatment has been fairly convincingly implicated for Palaeoindian tools and debris of Fossil Hill chert in Ontario (Pavlish and Sheppard 1983), and well documented for jaspers in Pennsylvania (Schindler, et al. 1982; Hatch and Miller 1985).
Given the apparently common prehistoric knowledge of the process and its geographically and temporally widespread usage",
Sorry dont have the link. I must have taken a screen shot of the article. The above quote does have a number of references in it.
Heat-Treating Experiments With Onondaga Chert: Preliminary Results*
Frank L. Cowan < Fcowan9115@aol.com>
(*This paper was written for a graduate course in ethnoarchaeology at the University at Buffalo, May 11,1987.)
I find heat treatment very interesting and at times frustrating as I have been trying to get to know the lithic sources and that sure can throw it off. Thanks for the feedback...love this forum. Only thing is we cant do this over a few beers or coffee!
See quote: "Closer to the western New York area, heat-treatment has been fairly convincingly implicated for Palaeoindian tools and debris of Fossil Hill chert in Ontario (Pavlish and Sheppard 1983), and well documented for jaspers in Pennsylvania (Schindler, et al. 1982; Hatch and Miller 1985).
Given the apparently common prehistoric knowledge of the process and its geographically and temporally widespread usage",
Sorry dont have the link. I must have taken a screen shot of the article. The above quote does have a number of references in it.
Heat-Treating Experiments With Onondaga Chert: Preliminary Results*
Frank L. Cowan < Fcowan9115@aol.com>
(*This paper was written for a graduate course in ethnoarchaeology at the University at Buffalo, May 11,1987.)
I find heat treatment very interesting and at times frustrating as I have been trying to get to know the lithic sources and that sure can throw it off. Thanks for the feedback...love this forum. Only thing is we cant do this over a few beers or coffee!
I may sound extreamly stupid but please be pacient im new! hahaa...... I have two questions..
-why did they heat treat?
-how do I tell if it is heat treated?
thanks!
Beau
-why did they heat treat?
-how do I tell if it is heat treated?
thanks!
Beau
Chase explains why heat treatment was used above, and sometimes when a material is heat treated it will change colors or shades.
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