Another Bison Killer?

[Hotrodmom]

Ok, so here is another one of my fun finds.  I learned that my other two littler ones killed Bisons....so amazing to me!  Do you think this one did too?  Also, the tip seems to be broken, do you think it was from the hunt hitting a bone, or just happened to be broken from other reasons?

[painshill]

It is likely impact damage but there's no easy way to say if if hit an animal, a tree, or was simply dropped, trodden on or whatever.
Coming back to bison... it is the case that points this size will bring down an animal of that size and at many bison jumps on the upper plains regions of North America, "bird points" are the only points found. But these points were multi-purpose and used for hunting all sizes of animal up to and including Bison.
More info here, including an interesting video of penetration testing:

http://www.arrowheads.com/index.php/forum/other-tool-types-morphology-a-function/78094-bird-points-notes-on-function

[chase]

That is what I call a Harold point. Those are sweet points to find. those tri-notched points are one of my favorites to find. here is one I found. for weather it actually killed or was broken another way it would be hard to tell.

[11KBP]

chase wrote:

Harold point!

  Very nice point Chase.
I'm not familiar with that point name, are you perhaps meaning to call it a Harrell point?

[chase]

[QUOTE]11KBP wrote:

Harold point!

  Very nice point Chase.
I'm not familiar with that point name, are you perhaps meaning to call it a Harrell point?
LMAO 11KBP I am blind in one eye and cant see out of the other. I have always called them Harold points, but I bow down to a  Harrell point. Your vast experience I respect.
Thank you I stand corrected.

[Hotrodmom]

You guys are all great!!  Thanks so much for your help!

[arrow719]

That's another Desert Side Notch, AKA Desert Sierra. It's possible it was used to hunt bufflers but it could of been shot at just about any critter they were hunting. It's a pretty point and nice material too.

[11KBP]

There are a number of names for nearly identical tri-notched arrow points. Harrell, Desert Side Notch, some of the Cahokia specimens, Plains Tri-Notch (Taylor) and Frison simply calls them Late Prehistoric tri-notched points. The general area of distribution determines what name should be applied to the point.
In the case of the point submitted by hotrodmom the Desert Side Notch as mentioned by arrow719 would be the most appropriate name.

[chase]

11KBP wrote:

There are a number of names for nearly identical tri-notched arrow points. Harrell, Desert Side Notch, some of the Cahokia specimens, Plains Tri-Notch (Taylor) and Frison simply calls them Late Prehistoric tri-notched points. The general area of distribution determines what name should be applied to the point.
In the case of the point submitted by hotrodmom the Desert Side Notch as mentioned by arrow719 would be the most appropriate name.

The Cahokia are Triangles The Tri notched points a western point.

[11KBP]

[QUOTE]chase wrote:

There are a number of names for nearly identical tri-notched arrow points. Harrell, Desert Side Notch, some of the Cahokia specimens, Plains Tri-Notch (Taylor) and Frison simply calls them Late Prehistoric tri-notched points. The general area of distribution determines what name should be applied to the point.
In the case of the point submitted by hotrodmom the Desert Side Notch as mentioned by arrow719 would be the most appropriate name.

The Cahokia are Triangles The Tri notched points a western point.
  Some Cahokia specimens are very similar to the western tri-notched points.

[CoachG]

I really like that type.  Nice ones.

[robshap]

I'm curios to know if points break easily/frequently when they miss the target and just hit the hard ground. I'm sure someone has tested this.

[huntwild]

I hunt with a self bow. Arrows are river cane tipped with arrowheads I knapped myself. I use glass because I have no source of lithic material. They are surprisingly durable. I only break them when they hit bone, and no surprise, they look just like the impact fractures we find in the field.

[sneakygroundbuzzard]

i too knapp and make self bows,cant hunt with stone points here in minnesota
however, i have tested them by shooting at a wooden fence
the arrows were made from red osier( a material the natives in this area would have used )
the heads held up quite well,no damage to them after 4 shots each(6 arrows) into the fence
the heads were made out of various materials, burlington,keokuk,obsidion, and flint river
the weak point was the shafts,one broke on its fourth impact into the fence
all of these were shot from a 55# hickory self bow at 15 yds

[painshill]

You may be interested in “Wear Traces and Projectile Impact: A Review of the Experimental and Archaeological Evidence” by John Dockall at Texas A&M University:

https://www.academia.edu/7841477/Wear_Traces_and_Projectile_Impact_A_Review_of_the_Archaeological_and_Experimental_Evidence