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    I was back in the creek today and found a few things.

    I love this bi-face but am having some trouble deciding if it's a broken blade or a notched tool.

    My hunch is the later but perhaps it's wishful thinking.









    Either way it's a beautiful piece.

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    Then I found this great broken mortar.

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    I thought Kentucky Point might like this little bottle. Amazing it survived the creek.

    The writing reads 'Vanstrans Stratena'.


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    • #3
      To be clear, I'm talking about the cleft in the distill end, not the weak notch on the side or the damage immediately adjacent to the cleft.

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      • willjo
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        Interesting piece but it is hard to tell what size it is. I would think broke blade though or perform

    • #4
      Are there some pics missing or just me ?

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      • #5
        Will need better photos to understand your question.
        My name is Gary. I live in NE South Dakota

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        • #6
          I guess the pics are broken.

          Try again

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          • #7
            another view for scale.

            It's chunky and nicely worked.

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            • #8
              The notch.

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              • willjo
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                Those photos with size reference looks like a small tool or scraper with accidental ding in end

              • tomf
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                willjo,

                It's not so small at 70mm x 40mm x 15mm and 53 grams.

                I agree it's most likely a tool but feel that the ding is actually part of the design.

                The perfect concave shape and it's similarity to the side notch lead me to this conclusion.

                Also there is a tiny hint of what I think is cortex at the rim of the 'notch'. That probably wouldn't be there if the piece had ever been knapped to a point.

                I'm happy to have found it as I reckon tools are as interesting as points.

            • #9
              Bottle is cool, I googled it and says it’s glue/cement from 1890s company was from Philadelphia.
              I like the obsidian blade too, great finds!

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              • tomf
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                A little glue pot. Cool.

                Thanks for the info.

                The more I examine the biface, the more sure I feel that the ding is in fact a deliberate notch or cleft.

                It's cleanly struck in a style that is consistant with the weak notching local points sometimes have.

                I think it's a multipurpose tool.

            • #10
              Ethan should like the bottle from what he told me he likes the older ones like that. Notch is probably a spokeshave lots of knives and some scrapers have them. I have some stemmed knifes with that on them I’ve found in the past

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              • #11
                Tomorrow I can share one if you like

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                • tomf
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                  I'd love to see it.

                • SurfaceHunter
                  SurfaceHunter commented
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                  After driving to Knoxville Tn today I’m to tired to go find them. Maybe in the morning

              • #12
                Love the tool and I like the bottle better then Kentucky lol
                still looking . All I find are 80’s

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                • tomf
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                  I love this tool too.

                  Some lithics you just want to hold and this is one of them.

                  It has weight to it and feels substantial in your palm.

                  I love the big, confident knapping which shows great efficiency and eye.

                  It's also a really good piece of obsidian which has worn nicely to a shiny matte finish but still shows definition.

                  The base is a perfect triangle showing great symmetry and retains cortex.

                  It's one of the best pieces I have found, I reckon.

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ID:	372552 Okay let’s see if these 3 will load. 1st one is a reworked point made to a tool the other 2 are knives with the spokeshave on the left side. The littler one I walked a field and it was the only point I found the whole day. N GA personal finds

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                • #14
                  Originally posted by SurfaceHunter View Post
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ID:	372552 Okay let’s see if these 3 will load. 1st one is a reworked point made to a tool the other 2 are knives with the spokeshave on the left side. The littler one I walked a field and it was the only point I found the whole day. N GA personal finds
                  Thanks for taking the time to share these.

                  They are great examples.

                  The first and third both have the same kind of cleft as my one. The little black knife is more subtle and I might not have recognised the spoke shave.

                  Love that flint too.

                  I'm interested in the function of these spokeshaves.

                  The name implies a woodworking use (they would be good for rough planing an arrow shaft) but I reckon they may have been just as important for butchery.

                  They seem to be present in every tool assemblage in every time and place.

                  What other uses might they have?





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                  • SurfaceHunter
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                    Cordage you would of needed the strip vines. The 2 you like are older than the arrows. The small one might be in that range
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